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    @<a href="#comment-2362807" rel="nofollow">Just nutha</a>: Those who think the Ukraine is socially homogenized don't know much about it. The eastern part are Russian speakers and the westerners speak Ukrainian, which is very close to Polish. They are culturally different, so different the western part fought with Hitler against the USSR in WW2. The western end is the industrial sector, and has been Russian before Moscow was. It can be said the true heart of Russia is Kiev. The western part was part of the Hapsburg Empire, it became part of Russia quite recently, in historical terms. The legal arguments, whatever their validity, totally ignore that Crimea is largely settled by Russian ex-pats and for the most part was very glad Putin moved from saving them from becoming part of the Ukraine, the new regime even wanted to ban the Russian language from all parts of their new independent nation. The color revolution we strongly supported was nearly all Ukrainian speakers in the west. IMO when Hillary tasked the Kagans to get the Ukraine out of the Soviet sphere by fomenting revolution she declared war on Russia. How else could the Russians view it? Left alone it would have cut them off from their one warm water port, which would be on a par with separating the US from the Pacific. How would we respond? Same way. Leaving it just happen would also have doomed a lot of very patriotic Russians to Ukrainian citizenship, at least until they quit speaking their native tongue.


    @Just nutha:

    Those who think the Ukraine is socially homogenized don’t know much about it. The eastern part are Russian speakers and the westerners speak Ukrainian, which is very close to Polish. They are culturally different, so different the western part fought with Hitler against the USSR in WW2. The western end is the industrial sector, and has been Russian before Moscow was. It can be said the true heart of Russia is Kiev. The western part was part of the Hapsburg Empire, it became part of Russia quite recently, in historical terms.

    The legal arguments, whatever their validity, totally ignore that Crimea is largely settled by Russian ex-pats and for the most part was very glad Putin moved from saving them from becoming part of the Ukraine, the new regime even wanted to ban the Russian language from all parts of their new independent nation. The color revolution we strongly supported was nearly all Ukrainian speakers in the west.

    IMO when Hillary tasked the Kagans to get the Ukraine out of the Soviet sphere by fomenting revolution she declared war on Russia. How else could the Russians view it? Left alone it would have cut them off from their one warm water port, which would be on a par with separating the US from the Pacific. How would we respond? Same way. Leaving it just happen would also have doomed a lot of very patriotic Russians to Ukrainian citizenship, at least until they quit speaking their native tongue.



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    Published on 17 Nov 2018 at 02:40AM

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